benj8706
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Post by benj8706 on May 17, 2009 17:28:18 GMT 1
I'm voting for the option "Monks were up to no good" Firstly I am choosing this because no one else has voted for it but thats not the main reason. Since Henry had departed from the Catholic church he despised it. He quickly picked up on how well the monasteries were doing, yes he partly decided to close them down because they were very wealthy but in my opinion he had strong feelings about how the monks and nuns should act in the the monasteries , he thought they weren't acting religiously. These are some of the things he thought they were doing: One of the most unholy things he assumed they were doing was drinking and having sexual pleasure with the opposite sex (not always the opposite). The monks were also gambling and spending and using a lot of money, Henry knew this was wrong, monks are meant to lead a very simple life and give all their possessions away. Henry hated the way these unholy monks and nuns were acting in these monasteries, in my opinion he thought these acts were criminal (which at the time would of been). As soon as Henry's inspectors had looked through the monasteries and confirmed this unholy behaviour, Henry had no choice but to close them down. this concludes why the "Monks were up to no good" option was the main reason why Henry VIII closed all the monasteries.
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hollymoseley
Henry VIII
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Post by hollymoseley on May 17, 2009 18:18:40 GMT 1
Henry Vlll closed down the monasterys because they were rich and following his split with Rome and the catholic religion Henry had very little money left and he was paranoid about the still catholic countries attacking him because he had gone against what the Pope said so he felt that closing down the also catholic monasterys and selling the land and gold that they possessed would pay for his army and erase all forms of catholicism from England. Another possible reason for King Henry to close down the monasterys was he was very paranoid (as I have already said) so he may have thought that the catholic monks and nuns were plotting to over-through him. Henry may also have thought that the catholics were spying on him relaying information back to the Pope who was mustering an army. But I still feel that the main reason that Henry closed down the monasterys was to get the money and land also the buildings could be sold to rich people to make even more money and to strengthen his relationships with them giving them more reason to sign themselves and their sons up to the English army and in a roundabout way protecting him from the catholic invaders who disagreed with his divorce and his new marriage
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Post by JAB on May 17, 2009 18:28:37 GMT 1
I voted for revenge on the Catholic church though I think the fact they had money encouraged Henry further to close them down. Also the monks up to no good category comes into aswell because it just gave Henry VIII an excuse to close them down. But the reason I voted for the revenge category because I think it was the initially reason why Henry decided to close down the monasteries. The reason why I think this was the most important was because when you're King the most important thing you want to do is keep control and keep your power. And I think Henry saw this as a threat so he decided to get rid of them, then he had heard so much of the bad things they were doing so he now had a reason to close them down aswell. After all the last thing Henry wanted was the people of England against him aswell as the Pope and a lot of the Catholic countries in Europe. Also the country was quite unstable with religion which didn't help either. So Henry had to do something to show he was in charge and not to be messed with, in the end he decided to destroy the monasteries, the strong point of Catholicism in England. The main reason why I chose my answer though, is because I think to Henry the most important thing was not the wealth or the falseness of the monks but the fact that Henry wanted to show how powerful and important he was. I think the way that Henry ignored the Pope is a good example of the fact that Henry just wanted to show that he was a strong leader and that he had the power to do what he wanted. Josh B P.S besides everyone was voting for the same thing so I decided not to follow the crowd
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Post by Izzie on May 17, 2009 19:32:37 GMT 1
Hiya! Its Izzie!! I chose lots of Gold and Land, etc. I chose this because Henry did have a fall out with the pope over his much wanted divorce from Catherine Of Arragon so he could Marry and reproduce with the young Anne Boleyn which was the main cause of Henry's creation of the Church Of England. Personally i think the creation of the 'C of E' was the primarily cause for Henry the VIII closing down the monasteries. I chose Gold and Land because i think, its the closest thing to what i have just said, as The creation of the church of England is not there. What i mean by this is that is that because he wanted a divorce from Catherine of Arragon and the Pope (head of the catholic church) would not allow this because its against the catholic rules, Henry decided to create his on branch of Christianity which would allow divorce. But many people were still catholics, and they didn't follow his religion. So Henry Decided to close down the monasteries and his well trusted friend, Thomas Cromwell helped him. Together they selected a group of highly trained and professional inspectors who were neither atheists or catholic followers, they were just doing there job, they managed to close down nearly all of the monasteries in england. The catholic Monks who were breaking the monk rules, i think were just a convenience of a reason to shut down the monasteries. Probably the peasants at the time thought of it as a act of loyalty and kindness, but really, i think, Henry was just trying shut them down so he could have the land and gold to sell on for money which he would then use to advertise and promote his new religion, which then would hopefully sell and get popular. This is why i chose lots of gold and land.
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Post by Mr P J Lee on May 17, 2009 20:12:59 GMT 1
Some very interesting posts - Oscar I particularly liked your link to the TV programme by David Starkey. As of 20.12 hrs - still several people yet to post - I suggest you msn then if you have their email and remind them - otherwise they'll be staying after school tomorrow..... These are the people who have voted:- samsung ToSLegends abdul sidra Hassan kimmey Rawr luke G.I. Joe captaineverett shadow443 ojcutts nanette naj jab jessie17 tanika benj8706 Izzie hollymoseley louie joe chanice
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Post by Dodo Gravy Gecko on May 17, 2009 20:16:10 GMT 1
Henry VIII decided to close down the monasteries for two main reasons. One- he had fallen out with the Catholic Church, for refusing him his divorce from Catherine of Aragon. As well as this, there was a fair bit of dosh to gain from the monasteries themselves. First of all, Henry VIII wanted a male heir (fair enough), but Catherine of Aragon was too old to have any more children. Also, Henry had had his eye on Anne Boleyn, a young new exiting prospect for Henry, (with a promise of a male heir). So Henry wants a divorce. He goes to the Pope. The Pope refuses Henry the privilege. It didn’t help that the Pope was, at that time, being held by Catherine of Aragon in the tower of London. So Henry is angry at Catholicism, and he needs a way to get back at the Pope. Bingo. He decides to close down all Monasteries across England. He also realises that there is a bit of money to be made. All the lead from the roof and the gold inside the Monasteries is really quite expensive. So how does he go about closing them down? He finds reasons to close them down. For example, corruption against Catholic rules- drinking and sleeping with nuns.
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Post by chanice on May 17, 2009 20:20:22 GMT 1
henry viii closed down the monasteries becuase he was in need of money and wanted to prove to other people that he didnt need the pope to be successful after their fall out . Also there was many things in the monasteries that was worth a lot of money. Such as gold, lead and others. This also had a effect on the monks.
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Post by DemonGod(abdul) on May 17, 2009 20:22:15 GMT 1
hey chanice i think you were supposed to type 250+ words..
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Joe G
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Post by Joe G on May 17, 2009 20:28:53 GMT 1
I chose Gold, land and lead. This is because Henry the VIII was an extremely greedy man. He wanted to exploit and control monasteries for the vast quantities of gold and the huge amount of land. Henry also wanted the lead from monasteries. The lead could be used for roofs because it was also a valuable building material worth a lot of money and money was power and power was what Henry so badly craved. There were also complaints about drunken monks and Gambling nuns that Henry's inspectors gathered together. Henry was not allowed a divorce from his wife by the Catholic Church, and because of this, he had a hand in the development of the Church of England. He didn't want to have Catherine of Araogan as his wife anymore. He had fallen in love with Anne Bolyen whose job was in court. Unfortunately the Pope wouldn't let him get a divorce and Henry was so keen on marrying Anne he knew what he must do. To take control over the catholic church and set up his own church. The church of England. Joe Georgiou
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louie
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Post by louie on May 17, 2009 21:19:06 GMT 1
During the "Religious Rollercoaster" in the 16th century, when King Henry VIII ruled over England, Henry closed down many monasteries for being corrupt however even if they weren't corrupt the inspectors that Thomas Cromwell sent to inspect the various monasteries believed that they were hiding something from them and that when they went they would start gambling and drinking. Anyway, I voted for lots of gold and land, I chose this because I think Henry obviously needed some quick cash seeing that he was becoming more impendent after breaking from the Catholic church and the Pope when he refused to allow Henry's divorce from Catherine of Aragon. Henry was short of money because he had bee over spending on expensive parties. Also Henry needed to protect him and the country from possible attacks from the many Catholic countries that surrounded Britain Especially after Henry decided to promote the Church of England in 1536 and onwards. The monasteries that had been closed had been closed for corruption, although the monasteries did assist the local community by providing markets, schools and medical centres across England. Just under twenty years earlier an man from Germany named Johan Tetzel started the protestant movement whilst watching monks sell indulgences to sinning citizens. The movement was to protest against Catholicism because Tetzel thought that they were teaching the Christian religion improperly.
Louie
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john
Henry VIII
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Post by john on May 18, 2009 8:06:43 GMT 1
I think that Henry VIII closed down the monastries because he fell out with the pope. This happened when he wanted a divorce with Catherine of Aragon (because he was in love with Anne Boleyn). But when he asked the pope, he was still unable to get one because the pope was being held prisoner by Charles, Catherine's nephew. But it could have also been because he wanted the lead and gold from within. It was said, and later proved, that monks were not living a holy life. They had treasures and riches instead of living the simple life they were supposed to. I don't think that he did it for only one reason. He used the fact that many monks were up to no good as a cover story for what he was doing. -Which they were, but it was not really why he was doing it. Henry almost joined forces with a German monk, named Martin Luther, because they were both against the Catholic Church. Luther had made a list of 95 complaints about it, and one of these, possibly the worst one, was that a Catholic was found to be selling indulgences to other people - certificates saying that if you pay him, you will go to heaven. But this was wrong because: A) It is stated in the scriptures that you cannot buy yourself into heaven B) The money went straight to the Church (Catholic), and instead of using it as offering to God, was used making the pope's palace in Rome more and more ornate, and for his own personal needs.
Because Henry wasn't happy with them either, he decided to make his own church. It was the Church of England. He then made himself head of it. This way, as he was in charge, he was able to make himself a divorce, and do whatever he wanted. He then married Anne Boleyn, and sent one of his friends to make a team, and inspect the monastries. He found many faults with them. 340 words.
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Post by Chrno on May 18, 2009 13:31:12 GMT 1
Gold/land/lead because Henry VIII had no desperate reason to do something so risky, even though he seems to be such a risk taker. He may have needed revenge against the pope, but that would normally be a bad idea, as it would only anger him more. Of course, he can use the monk's behaviour to his advantage, but without better stakes, he shouldn't test his luck. The money is enough reason, as it would overall give him many uses. He can take down the pope's monasteries and further his development by earning money and gaining land in the process. He probably had -no reason- to care about the monk's doings as he has nothing to do with it. Revenge is a childish reason to lose popularity and close down such helpful resources. Of course, a reason that loosely links in with revenge is existent. If he were to close down the monasteries, it would give him power as the head of the church of England. Power and money are his main reasons. Lowering awareness and the promotion of the catholic religion, only to spread the word of his own. His prime reason for closing down the monasteries was for his development. He may not have even cared about the revenge to the extent of shaking his fist. However, this theft gave him a little smug time the pope would not approve of. Why leave annoying little flies you don't need wasting your money/land/lead, and most of all, stealing your power.
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Mini Mee Milez
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Post by Mini Mee Milez on May 18, 2009 15:25:01 GMT 1
Henry VIII saw the closing down of the monatseries as an oppurtunity to get loads of money and lead for the kingdom, he also thought that for divocing himself from the catholic faith he would come under attack from othe countries where christianity (catholicism) is the main religion. He was also in major financial debt.
He also wanted to punish the Pope for rejecting his divorce claims. Following the reports from his inspectors he could also say the it was due to the monks behaving badly (not following the monks code) Henry VIII also wanted to close down the monasteries as an act of revenge towards the catholic faith.
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otis
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Post by otis on May 18, 2009 15:25:58 GMT 1
Henry VIII ultimatly wanted the monastries' wealth. when the Pope did'nt give Henry VIII a divorce from Catherine of Aragon, he set up the Protestant Church of England. Henry put Thomas Cromwell in charge of getting rid of the monasteries. Cromwell started by sending inspectors to find out anyway to close them down. Ultimatly to find out how much money they have coming in, and to report on what is happening inside the monasteries. The inspectors report that the monks and nuns are seriously breaking the rules they should be living by. Monks are behaving unlike the christian code tells them to behave. Monks tend to abuse the use of acholhol and gamble. When realisticly they should be Living in complete poverty.
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Post by Simeon on May 18, 2009 15:28:19 GMT 1
I read the question wrong, I thought it said Henry's reasons for fallin out with the pope, so I voted different reason. I meant to vote for the Gold, land and lead
Henry closed down the Monastries because he could benefit greatly from the gold, land and lead he could gain from it. Henry needed good reasons with the public to show to them why he was doing this, so he went around the monasteries with other people who were working for him, recording the bad behaviour of the corrupt monks and friars. This reason, in the eyes of the public, made Henry look like an honorable man who would only close down the monasteries for the good of the people, when really it was only so he could get more and more wealthy.
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